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July 27, 2006

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Rick

That's pretty much the way I see it.

bbbustard

You're Kidding.

Rick

No. Why?

There was something very telling in the Zawahiri video today. Did you pick up on it? No media will mention it because they won't even notice it.

bbbustard

I thought that you might be kidding because your comment today was one I rarely, if ever, have received from you. (Plus you spoiled my comeback - something about offering to sell you the Navy ship Liberty, which I think is still sitting just outside Tel Aviv)
I did not see the video - what's up?

Rick

I'll try not to bore you as I can be long winded. But in early Dec 01 Bin Laden made a video. It was between the first insertion of special ops into Afghanistan in October (I think early Oct) and the later bombing campaign in Tora Bora which I believe was mid December. So, in his 20 minute video he says "and we can never allow a repeat of Andalusia". Then today Zawahiri (Bin Laden's consigliore) declares a battlefield from Spain to Iraq.

Bin Laden's Andalusia is a reference to Spain's southern province. Islamic armies (Moors) invaded Spain in 711 and were not stopped until they were defeated by Charles Martel at Tours in 732. This battle is generally regarded as having saved Europe. Well, the Moors fell back south of the Pyrenees where they maintained their culture in the palace of Alhambra in Granada. (If you are ever there, it is at very least as magnificent as the Taj Mahal) They were expelled by Ferdinand and Isabella in 1492.

So they invaded a country and occupied it for 800 years, then were tossed out 500 years ago and they are still pissed off. So angry about the matter that they continue to mention it no matter how little time they have to speak.

Any westerner who would believe (I do not speak of all Arabs or all anyone for that matter) that these crazy fundamentalists are angry with us for how we have behaved these last six years or the past four administrations or since the birth of modern Israel, is simply not capable of understanding that which we are up against.

And when I speak of these that must be exterminated, I am not speaking of all the gentle souls in Lebanon or Israel or Jordan who want nothing more than to raise their children, attend weddings, have grandchildren and enjoy that which thee and me take for granted.

But for the Zarqawis and the Bin Ladens and those who follow them there is nothing more than a 158 grain semi jacketed hollow point.

Peace to you. Or, as I prefer, Pax tecum.

bbbustard

I agree that the memory of a culture can be excruciatingly long. Not to compare the two in any way except longevity, Jews in Argentina, France , Algeria and New York spent close to 2000 years saying "Next Year in Jerusalem."
But while it is difficult for us to control what happened 500 years ago, we should have some control or influence over what happens now. The Bush administration seems capable only of inflaming problems that have been going on for centuries.

Rick

You put together a well thought through, cogent paragraph then conclude it by complaining about the administration. If I had done that with every turn in the road with the last administration, I would have lost my mind long before now, You see bustard, you are simply going through that which I also went through. You want my advice? Take it like a man.

I had a very dear, older friend from Montevideo who told his mother, at the age of 17, that he was joining the IDF. His mother was horrified. But, he proceeded nonetheless. He fought in the 6 day war in 67. What is it about a Jewish kid from Uruguay who feels utterly compelled to go defend Israel? What is it? He is gone now and I miss him.

Farmer Mark

Such a refreshingly civilized, non-venomous exchange. So far from the exchange of grievances that dominates the talk-back on, say, the Ha'aretz website.

That people can be so reasonable from a distance argues for a powerful outside imperial type entity to impose its order on the Middle East, and for Israel and its neighbors to co-exist according to the dictates of the imperial authority. Limited self-determination for each ethnic and religious group. The only big issue -- who gets to be the Empire?

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